Pedal Commander installed....Whoa!

[landiscarrier]

I think as someone else is probably already pointed out by now for about $200 more than a pedal Commander you get the same electronic throttle body fix in addition to more horsepower and torque in addition to better transmission mapping in addition to tire size readjustment in addition to etc etc with a tune

I believe the only two benefits that pedal Commander has is it cost less and it is a plug-and-play interception device that probably is far more undetectable than a tune.

Agree!

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[sal33n]

I find it funny that no matter how many people with a throttle controller comment on how great it is, you get people, who don't even own one, who insist they don't work, that you can tune the lag out, that you should just stomp on the gas harder, etc.

I am telling you right now, they work, even with a tune. I have 3 cars that are tuned and all 3 have a throttle controller ALONG WITH A TUNE.
1. 2018 Alfa Romeo Stelvio: MaxPower Pro ECM tune with Madness GoPro throttle controller
2. 2016 Mustang GT: Livernois Engineering e85 tune with iDrive throttle controller
3. 2019 Ford Ranger: Livernois Engineering 93 tune with Pedal Commander throttle controller

There is a noticeable difference in pedal response in all of them with the throttle controllers. The most noticeable of all is on the mustang as the power is immediate. the other two are both turbo and you cant get rid of that turbo lag from a stand still. the Mustang is almost undriveable from a stop in the top settings due to the power coming on too quickly.

Here is an analogy I came up with. You have a train engine pulling a train car behind it. The cars are held together by a Railroad coupling. there is some play in that Railroad coupling where, when the engine starts moving but the car behind it doesn't move right away because of the play in the coupling. If you tune your engine it will not take the play away. The train with more power may move faster but there is still play in the coupling. A throttle controller removes that lag and. at the same time, also lets you push only part way to get as much power as pushing you foot to the floor, depending on the setting you have it at (as many of you have already commented). Not perfect analogy but you get the idea.

The other thing these devices also do is have decreased throttle response for a better economy mode or for doing things like backing up trailers or going up/down off-road inclines where you need to control your speed better.

 

[OFC Ranger]

I find it funny that no matter how many people with a throttle controller comment on how great it is, you get people, who don't even own one, who insist they don't work, that you can tune the lag out, that you should just stomp on the gas harder, etc.

I have not seen anyone on here state they don't work.

Also I'm pretty sure every tune on the market for the Ranger reprograms the e-throttle controller which is exactly what the pedal commander does. Putting the Ranger in sport mode intensifies the e-throttle even further.

But pedal commander does have various settings (10?), so its got that I guess.

Most people are commenting dollar for dollar a tune is a far better purchase.

 

[sal33n]

I have not seen anyone on here state they don't work.

Also I'm pretty sure every tune on the market for the Ranger reprograms the e-throttle controller which is exactly what the pedal commander does. Putting the Ranger in sport mode intensifies the e-throttle even further.

But pedal commander does have various settings (10?), so its got that I guess.

Most people are commenting dollar for dollar a tune is a far better purchase.

What I mean by "don't work" is that the usual reply is the mashing the gas pedal would produce the same results. I have seen this multiple times on various Auto forums. I should have worded that better.

As far as Ranger tunes on the market re-programming the throttle, I can tell you that in any drive mode it still decreases the lag and gives a faster response, even when tuned. I cannot speak for every tuner out there, but from my personal experience from 3 different tune providers (I didn't mention my previous ride before the Ranger was a Focus ST with a Ford Performance tune), the throttle controller is very noticeable.

I purchased the iDrive for $167 which is a lot cheaper than purchasing a tuner and the tunes. The other two were around $250ish. I did make sure to get them on holiday deals and such (I would never pay full price, lol).

Dollar for dollar, if you want increased stop light and highway passing performance (without tuning) then it's a pretty good value. I just happen to like having the best of both! .

 

[BassRanger]

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Here is an analogy I came up with. You have a train engine pulling a train car behind it. The cars are held together by a Railroad coupling. there is some play in that Railroad coupling where, when the engine starts moving but the car behind it doesn't move right away because of the play in the coupling. If you tune your engine it will not take the play away. The train with more power may move faster but there is still play in the coupling. A throttle controller removes that lag and. at the same time, also lets you push only part way to get as much power as pushing you foot to the floor, depending on the setting you have it at (as many of you have already commented). Not perfect analogy but you get the idea.

Yeah I'm sorry, I typically stay out of these pedal tuner discussions, but that isn't even closely analogous to what these pedal tuners do. There is no "lag" between your throttle pedal and your ECU beyond that that naturally occurs to the speed of electron flow through the components. The only way possible for these devices to increase the speed at which the ECU responds to your pedal inputs would be to literally accelerate electron flow.

All these pedal tuners do is give you more(or less) output for similar inputs. THAT IS IT! The exact same effect can be achieved by remapping the driver demand tables in the tune, minus the on the fly variability.

Sprint booster is the originator of this technology and someone graciously wrote a white paper on how they operate 14 years ago. They all have the same principle operation. I know people love these devices and the effect is powerful, but the whole "removes lag" aspect is patently false.

https://www.evilution.co.uk/files/info/sprintbooster/sprintbooster.pdf
https://outbackjoe.com/macho-divertissement/macho-articles/sprint-booster-is-it-worth-it/

 

[sal33n]

I was certainly not talking about the technical working of how these work. The "lag" or throttle delay is a perceived feeling I have (and I am sure others) when I push on the gas. The device removes this. Sorry if you don't agree with my analogy. It was meant to be a simple comparison which I believe gets my point across.

 

[Joeiconic]

All these pedal tuners do is give you more(or less) output for similar inputs. THAT IS IT!

I think that’s exactly correct, but that is all most people want or need. That’s why they are so popular.

 

[FInoob]

I find it funny that no matter how many people with a throttle controller comment on how great it is, you get people, who don't even own one, who insist they don't work, that you can tune the lag out, that you should just stomp on the gas harder, etc.

I am telling you right now, they work, even with a tune. I have 3 cars that are tuned and all 3 have a throttle controller ALONG WITH A TUNE.
1. 2018 Alfa Romeo Stelvio: MaxPower Pro ECM tune with Madness GoPro throttle controller
2. 2016 Mustang GT: Livernois Engineering e85 tune with iDrive throttle controller
3. 2019 Ford Ranger: Livernois Engineering 93 tune with Pedal Commander throttle controller

There is a noticeable difference in pedal response in all of them with the throttle controllers. The most noticeable of all is on the mustang as the power is immediate. the other two are both turbo and you cant get rid of that turbo lag from a stand still. the Mustang is almost undriveable from a stop in the top settings due to the power coming on too quickly.

Here is an analogy I came up with. You have a train engine pulling a train car behind it. The cars are held together by a Railroad coupling. there is some play in that Railroad coupling where, when the engine starts moving but the car behind it doesn't move right away because of the play in the coupling. If you tune your engine it will not take the play away. The train with more power may move faster but there is still play in the coupling. A throttle controller removes that lag and. at the same time, also lets you push only part way to get as much power as pushing you foot to the floor, depending on the setting you have it at (as many of you have already commented). Not perfect analogy but you get the idea.

The other thing these devices also do is have decreased throttle response for a better economy mode or for doing things like backing up trailers or going up/down off-road inclines where you need to control your speed better.

No problems running it with your 93 tune?

 

[CJBax]

I'm going to disagree with the user that claimed a pedal commander gives increased passing performance. There is no way in hell a pedal commander will make passing any better in regards to engine performance compared to stepping into the stock accelerator. There is absolutely no power gained from one of these devices. No matter what mode you set that device to, 0-60 and passing speed/acceleration will be the same as stock. The only thing that will change the passing and from a stop performance is more power, more torque. Does the pedal commander change the throttle response? Sure does, no doubt about that. But it will NOT make the truck faster, quicker, or more powerful... it will just make it feel different because the throttle response is more sensitive, like going from drive to sport mode. It also won't change the shift strategy, at all. So for ~$300 bucks you get a different feel from a modified response to the throttle, that's it. And if I wanted a more "responsive" feel to the throttle while on a tune, I certainly wouldn't buy a pedal commander, I'd ask my tuner to adjust the drive-by-wire to my liking.

 

[Sped68]

If you Watch the first two minutes of this video it will clear up some confusion. It seems to clearly increase the speed of the throttle body actuator when running a throttle enhancer. I can only assume this is the case on all vehicles it’s applied to and not just this demo unit.

 

[BassRanger]

That demo box they use is complete BS.

 

[Mmmmmnachos]

Tuned or not tuned and whatever it is technically doing, its a great little add on. It made a big smile turn into a huge smile when driving. It definitely enhances my driving experience. I love the sport mode response on my Ranger but I didn't like the shift points for normal driving so I got this.

My previous vehicle was a Jeep Wrangler Unlimited lifted with 35's and I had to get a Pedal Commander and it enhanced the ride so much. I removed it before driving it to Carmax to sell it and wow, what a dog. No way I would own another Jeep without one.

But these are my experiences. I'm not pushing these on anyone. But if someone is curious, doesn't want to tune, and has the extra cash I'd say give it a try. They definitely do what they say they do.

 

[OFC Ranger]

Tuned or not tuned and whatever it is technically doing, its a great little add on. It made a big smile turn into a huge smile when driving. It definitely enhances my driving experience. I love the sport mode response on my Ranger but I didn't like the shift points for normal driving so I got this.

My previous vehicle was a Jeep Wrangler Unlimited lifted with 35's and I had to get a Pedal Commander and it enhanced the ride so much. I removed it before driving it to Carmax to sell it and wow, what a dog. No way I would own another Jeep without one.

But these are my experiences. I'm not pushing these on anyone. But if someone is curious, doesn't want to tune, and has the extra cash I'd say give it a try. They definitely do what they say they do.

In the performance debate, the "Enhance the ride" description is probably the most accurate statement about this product you can make.

Kind of like upgrading the factory rear suspension on our trucks lol

 

[Toytec]

Also it's like an increase in MPG. Instead of smiles per miles, it's shit eating grins per miles.

 

[BassRanger]

I think nearly everyone who buys one of these has a positive response to it. I generally don't have a problem with them. If it increases your driving enjoyment, then it's worth the money.

For me it's the blatant dishonesty and misinformation that they use to market them. Don't lie to people spending their hard earned money to buy your product. People already love the product, just tell the truth. That sprint booster demo unit they send to vendors is so asinine it should be bordering criminal false advertisement.

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